Meeting Notes 2025 07 29

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These are the notes from the The 824th Meeting of Noisebridge.

Date	2025 07 29
Note-takers	Cloud
Moderators	Mark

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Announcements

-DefCon and MAGWest are next weekend. -Locker audit: community encouraged to vote and comment on pol.is poll. -NERT (Neighborhood Emergency Response Team) volunteer training available for SF residents. https://sf-fire.org/nert/join-us -Jet will host a large tour (14 people) on Thursday.

Space Improvements, Zoning & Permitting Update

-Urgent need to finish drywall work; timeline already delayed. Could use helping hands the next couple days finishing drywall. Work will be done in the afternoon starting tomorrow. -Engineer working on final drawings of space; inspections (electrical, mechanical, fire marshal) coming soon. -Matt (contractor) to step in for Ken (out with Covid) to move project forward by signing off work.

Discussion Item 1: Security & Safety Issues

Incident: intoxicated individuals entered space; concerns raised about who is allowed inside and gate/patio security. Agreement: don’t allow drunk or unverified individuals past the gate; “you are responsible for who you let in.” Suggestions: Better signage (e.g., QR code linking to 86 list). Define “trusted individuals” vs. associate members WRT access and expected responsibility-taking. Potential steward/chaperone system for accountability.

Other incident: disruptive member engaged in bullying/name-calling and made others feel unsafe. Safety Council handling mediation and future expectations. Community education needed on handling dangerous or unexcellent behavior.

Discussion Item 2: Trash & Compost System

Proposal: add compost bins and better signage to improve waste sorting and reduce costs. Concerns: composting can attract pests and requires constant maintenance. Suggested improvements: clearer signage, small desktop bins, and educating members.

Discussion/Brainstorm Item 3: Noisebell Project & Opening/Closing Culture

Goal: balance accessibility with safety and cultural expectations when opening the space. Observations: Members may feel pressured to open the space; safety concerns drive some away. Need clear cultural norms, accountability, and better onboarding/tour experiences. Safety and a positive first impression are critical for retaining members.

Other notes

Promote safe, excellent behavior through signage, reporting channels (#safety-counsel and #bravespace on Discord). Address trolling/pranks that alienate members (e.g., fake happy hour events).

Action Items Safety Council: Develop clearer education and norms for handling safety/security incidents. Continue mediation regarding disruptive behavior. Continue educating about community norms and standards of excellence. Woodshop wall/permitting: finish drywall and permitting work without further delay. Waste: improve signage and explore compost system feasibility.

Introductions

Mark - Games, Noisebridge
Evan - moved to Bay Area, doing some self-hosting stuff w/ AI, working on more degrees. tinkerer and curious person
Weezy - constant state of learning - Swift, JS, physical stuff like lockpick, running, electric unicycles, and game development
Zacchae/sometimes known as "Cyborg" - like tech wearables. I think people should not let other people control their screens
TJ - Mostly do robotics stuff, AI in RL
Ben - had a pretty good first week checkin out NB. Looking forward to checking out what else is happening
Daniel - sometimes called "web daniel" since multiple daniels. I like creating web stuff and using the laser.
Jet - I like to make stuff
Ben - Laser Cutter. First time back in the space for like 5 years. Academic, write about urban stuff. wrote about noisebridge
Ron - I've done some work in the woodshop, some machining, some things hacking circuits
Eric - An insatiable reader. Infatuated with futurism and geopolitics. Interested in electronics. But am a bit of a luddite, not a skilled coder. I like sewing woodworking too.
Loren - aiming to observe today, be available for some questions
(Victor)
Cloud - 5mof and late to meeting.

Short announcements and events

DefCon is next Weekend!

MAGWest is next weekend!

Short announcement -- locker audit -- pol.is poll

Vote on the comments there, so we can all get a sense, as a community, of the points of greatest agreement, concern, and challenge.

https://pol.is/6fwfxfd79j

Once you've voted on what's there, consider adding a comment or two to represent perspectives not well represented. Write simple statements, a single-phrase sentence.

NERT

Brian B:

        Are there any volunteers that would like to be a part of the SF - Neighborhood Emergency Response Team. This is FREE training, some parts will be online and others in-person with first responders from the local area. This volunteer program helps others by assisting people in the community with personal emergencies, natural disasters and terrorist attacks. You can learn more about the NERT Program on their website at: https://sf-fire.org/nert
        This email is directed at any person that may want to join the NERT Team as a volunteer and lives or resides part-time in the City of San Francisco. To apply for NERT please follow the link below: https://sf-fire.org/nert/join-us
         Once enrolled please follow up by email and will stay in contact throughout the training process. After the training is completed and everyone has received their certificate for NERT. A team or group will be created for the area desired, which will be on call for any disasters or emergency situation that calls for NERT. 
        Thanks for taking the time to read and review this email, feel free to forward this email to any other volunteers that you believe might be interested in participating in this FREE TRAINING EVENT!

Jet- I'm going to bring 14 people here on Thursday for a big tour!

Excellence

What does that mean?

Today is International "Don't be a Dick" Day.

Considering side effects and consequences of your actions whil using a shared space and being part of a community.

Brief Kudos

Recent examples of excellent participation, say 3, unless the passion moves you.

Ron, for excellently working on the woodshop. Ken and Brian as well! They doin the dirty jobs! Stuff other people don't seem to want to do.

Every anonymous one who cleans up after people who unexcellently leave garbage/dishes/etc

Daniel, is cool. He started work on a juicy "single-sign-on" portal.

Loren, for doing unknown unseen treasurer work.

Sam, for helping clean up around the space and locker audit work.

Brian, for successfully navigating a situation where some people showed up, for whom, something was "a bit off".

Zoning & Permitting Standing Item

Status this week? Helpful broad asks to the community? NB city bureaucracy WG -- JD & Alice, among others.

Not much new news, except we can't be stalling in completing the work that we started! Drywall NEEDS to go up! We are bumping up against the timeline. For all intents and purposes, the deadline has already passed. LET'S GET THIS DONE.

We have retained the engineer who is working on the drawings. She went up and looked at the roof. Gonna try to get it as much as possible so we don't need much higher of a level of exhaust. Trying to get stuff like within 10 feet of property line so we don't have to do unnecessary extra work rigging up some complex system.

Since Ken is out w/ Covid, can have Matt the contractor come down in Ken's stead to help get us to finish the job.

Guys giving the final sign off is the guy who'll be doing the inspection of the drywall. Multiple inspections - electrical, mechanical, etc. The fire marshall may need to come through. We want to wrap up everything as much as possible without delay.

Discussion Items

Discussion Item 1

From/Raised by: Eric Seeking - Advice/Consensus on how to handle On topic: Joe

Earlier, I came in, noticed the gate door had been propped open, no one was around. Somewhat conspicuous. I closed it. This was in the early-mid afternoon. Shortly after, 2 guys came up and ringed the bell. I noticed they had torn off the sign thingy by the doorbell. I went to see if there was a associate/Member around. But Brian handled it. It was clear they were inebriated. Brian noticed they were intoxicated, informed them that they could stay in the patio area if they wanted, but sort of warned them against being in the space in the state they were in. Tried to get info about what they were up to/who told them about the space.

Apparently, Eric, knows one of them, lived in his apartment building apparently.

Musically talented smart but sticky fingers. Come here, don't come here drunk?

Reminds ppl: be a little street smart, be aware that sometimes things get stolen from NB. Get a sense for people who come aorund as best you can in a excellent way. use your street smarts don't open the door for just anyone.

Elle: Maybe for certain people, offering the opporunity for them to hang on the patio is not the *best* idea.

   "you are responsible for who you let into the space, and patio"

Valid: Brian did good job of handling the situation - we don't talk about what to do in these situations alot.

Maybe we should have those discussions. It's important to remember different people have different levels of safety in the building. Property damage - physical damage to individuals. less concerned about theft. (tearing down the sign as "property damage") Younger members:

   Under age of 18: who safety important to whether they are here or not. 
   Smaller members: intimidating drunk man: members who are 5ft 7 sometimes not willing to deal with two drunk people together. that is a huge dangerous circumstance proper response is not to invite them to protect them if you are not here for a particular purpose you need to get out.
   
  Jet: Ask everyone: Paper at the front: open sauce after party: tons of people come through and people come through and ask these things/
   
   people put similar signs and they disappear
   
   Like to see another sign like that.
   Sturdier, lazer cut: printed onto vinyl or whatever.
   Do you need help getting accustomed? (a check list:: items to tell you if shuld you let this person in?) Recent 86? is this person inebriated (HELP ME WITH SPELLING)
   
   List of obvious things on sign: dicussion or announacnement that allowing drunk people in to a space that has a space - not a good idea - people pick up random each other and throw at each other - small person dragged into space and mugged. Just making sure people know.
   
   laminor available too for signs

  If it's everyone's job, then it's no one's job.
   
   Don't give people ideas.
   
   Even if people have ideas: people should have ideas: no knowlege that people can learn that we can't learn to protect against it. 
   
   lazer a QR code to 86 page
   
   Maybe just a big warning make sure you are letting in good people. 
   
   You are responsible for the people you let in. 
   
   Sign- "doorbell means 'check on the door', not 'open door' ".
   
   No associate member - granted entry trust should not be allowed into patio. Period unless they are coming as guest accompany teh person if you are not an assoiate member.
   
   Brief circumstances - definately way more limiting on who we are letting in. If anyone. 
   
   Feel uncomfortable reading rules - things we should talk about regularly 
   
   Think there is a way to keep tabs on who opens the space each day and how without breaking anaynomity or whatnot - but we value privacy here heavily but we need accountability. 
   
   Do make the bot (jettt) instead of just opening a lever - don't want to say camera because that is kindof a bad word - lever + something. 
   
   We dont know who let those guys in the first place.
   Allow them to do what they did.
   Did them that did that. So many unknowns to finding igure out - is this a waste of time and effort.
   
   Email - to have a chaperon system
   
   We had - steward - assigned person of the space - 
   Saw someone complain about someone who was being belligerant towards them - sent an email someone was being belligerant towards them. wihtout anyone being held accountable - someone to talk to - "this happened under your watch" - no one is there to take responsbility (tragedy of teh commons)
   
   A lot of people were there: Didn't come up as a discussion item, I think it will resolve itself - person who was being belligerent - this person had an issue - he got overheated - will likely apologize in the future but if it doesn't get resolved - talk about future.
   
   Elle: zachy, you are coming from a position of relatively tall person relatively able to walk the streets safely at night. Person who witnessed was a small person and could not engage in a fight. There are diferently levels of comfort in differnet circumstances - third hand and having someone who is high ranting and moving erratically that's really terrifying - ask them to leave - leave myself and not engage - if we are going to create a noisebridge that is open to all we need to make it safe for all.
   
   KNow a little about what happened. 
   I have a answer to your query - how do you handle it for someone who isn't a big tall guy. That is your query?
   
   I would say someone who has the privlege of appearence of "male" but not necessary male. Apperance that they could defend theirselves. 
   
   that's one of the reason we have fewer female members saying they do not feel safe. (heard male someone fix mistakes here)
   
   Ask for clearer process and procedures around situations like that - trying not to get hung up around semantics around the person - should anyone who doesn't feel comfortable hanlding a situation where do they go? That is the question right?
   
   No, my question is  alittle different if you are in the space and something is going down that would make someone else unsafe do you have a duty to step up and handle it? Safety of people who do not feel safe. 
   
   Duty? No. Everyone opts into doing things here. People do step up and help out; thank god: excellent members.
   
   Rebuke that the one you demonstrated with sucess where someone complained about it and they felt unsafe it didn't work where this person was allowed to get belligerant without moderation 
   
   it sounds like it did. sort of resolve itself in the sensee that they did leave. in the sense after they recognized they crossed some sort of line or left "feeling bad".
   
   Specifics: general issue of what is the excellent way to handle this? I guess this is to TJ's point: duty to be excellent - then you leave.
   
   Jet: Say that we do hvae a duty of being excellent that we should never say that after an incident - that could have heped a person "you were unexcellent because you did not help a person in danger" but we can't say or prove that a person had the ability to help the situation. scare somebody off. there are so many factors that would play into the situation where brian is lucky enough to have been able to deal with that siutation that resulted in no damanges - but there may be a sitaution in the future where no body could step up - "it was unexcellent for you not to volunteer yourself" into a postion that is potientially dangerous - 
   
   Elle: Allowing drunk ppl Past the gate: danger. circumstance allievating stepping up and stepping up enage in sketchy behavior to calm down and leave. Expectations are diffferent for the two different situations - not accusing brian of unexcellence - not sure if that people should step up when someone is wildly high - speaking loudly - do think excellence requires us the actions of protecting others in both circumstances. 
   
   It is unexcellent to let someone in.
   I think it is excellent to step up and resolve - but its not excellent for you to stand by.
   
   one thing used to it even if you don't feel safe directly intervening with something. A lot of people at Noisebridge - there are - you may not know if something is going too far - if you don't feel safe interjecting - go around the space and ask people take a look to see if you 
   
   Culture that promotes people being safe - cannot epect people to step up - structures and policy that resolve resolution of conflict - danger - better communication and - get access and prevent dangerous people from getting in if people suspect - cannot expect everyone to step up and confront - 
   
   Finite amount of attention - notice those guys - the guys pulling the front - list of them proactively people should know this happened - but we do have eyes and people talking - 
   
   TJ: one idea could be that - this is just a proposal - whenever these space - someone who for a given timerange, they put down their name contact info time range within noisebridge whenever it goes on they will basically take responsibility for what happens more than other person can sign up - everyone can assume this but NB can assume this - people have responsbility given timerange - 
   
   Zacchae: That is kindof what the NB is open when there is an associate member
   
   Who was the assocate member?
   
   Not sure if there was an associate member?
   
   Then no one should have been allowed past the gate.
   The guys never had the right to enter the gate
   
   It sounds liek brian acted like an associate member and took responsibility but how did they get into that state to begin with?
   
   We have alot of people - brian is effectiely an associate member 
   
   there is no such thing as a effectively associate member
   
   Teling you how
   
   But he's not an associate member.
   
   i am saying he is like an associate mmeber/
   
   There is no such thing as effectively assocaite member.
   
   Argument _ we don't have a word to be a philanthropist key card access - rule when nb open/
   
   brian is not an associate member of a phil[lanterous?
   
   Peole who are not associate member and they have access - plently of people who have access but not given through the meeting keycard to the door.
   
   I propose they are called "trusted individuals".
   Cards - access. We trust them. Somebody through the community - some people in the folks in the community trusted their judgement
   
   now that we have a word 
   And TJ has a suggestion.
   
   languge: so many people have ogtten into angry arguments about it. 
   
   I am happy with trusted individuals
   
   We didn't really talk about "trusted indiviudals" as a term, need to litigate still - if we are talking about people they are trusted - we don't really trust them - way of making people feel bad.
   
   TJ: official rule is associate member - tangential to the problem no real way - best way to have someone volunteer - they don't have to pay necessary but they should have way to be contact them . maybe I am misunderstanding has someone contacted chris to this was brought up - 
   
   Brian was the person who tried to take responsbility

   Sorry brian who took responsibility - ...
   
   Clarifying:
   There were two incidents 
   1) Brian and the drunk people who came in
   2) Chris Zachy and noname upstairs
   
   Could someone describe the 2nd situation briefly 
   
   Noname engaged with hackatorium and became more and more dramatic - folks continued with the conversation some folks felt comfortable to talk w hile other folks felt afraid and stopped talking?
   
   Noname - arguing with the person he never met with them. but you have to build repour with them before you coudl demand a real interaction. noname got heated over interaction detail: patent lawyers are doing violent things and that was the fact that this person didn't seem to consider state sponsored violence - state action - it's technically it is but you don't know this person people are ignorant and come to nB to learn about anarchy - you can't be upset if someone doesn't realize that copyright is censorship - he went way too far.
   
   We don't need to revist the argument. its more thant someone came to the space yelling happened loud arguments happened that the person felt unsafe ratherr than the person become an instigator basically they didn't really know what to talk to. They decided to leave and felt unsafe - so they left. So who should have been there? Why didn't you ask the person to leave? (he was yelling).
   
   he did.
   
   should we be talking about having a conversation with noname. 
   
   We will be having a disucssion about noname - being a way of unexcellent - discussion needs to be had. come here for a while 
   
   he has had issues beffore/ (noname)
   
   He called wheezy a fed. and cross dress. Unexcellent big time bully. Sure he's tehcnical. hacker. state sponsor from time - who gives - if you are overpowering someone and bullying them that is not okay.
   
   We are not here to litigate his excellence - explain what happens the other day. 
   
   Whether he got resolved or not.
   
   In the moment people chose to back down from him to descalate - believe what happened - 
   
   
   Name calling; Nazi
   
   So the person who was being rude to (harassing) came downstairs and ask me what they should do. you should leave right now and send email to mediation email. Referring to Noname. 
   
   They came down here and responded appropriately, came down, ask to leave, noname left. Safety group ppl will pursue conversation with noname to see if they can see the errors of their ways, and correct.
   
   Elle: some people higher tolerance for inappropriate if people start yelling = yelling doesn't always result in me realizing there is a priblem. But yelling is a problem at NB. That yelling is considered unexcellent at NB. Once he starts raising his voice and bullying. But I do want to point out something but not everyone responds to people - some people would not have interrupted NB - noname is bullying a problem - got up and left - thought they were friends - people watching this were at fault - but you need noname - need to handle noname's victim as nb.
   
   the best thing I could say: safety counsel is on it.
   
   Top; noname is sitting on that side. 
   Guys: math book - nice patent lawyer - inventor  - noname came you are a patent lawyer - this guy - starts saying you incite violence - can you admit that you incite violence - a normal dicussion could incite violence - no - we are anarchist - we are a hackerspace but we are not bullies - we have had highly technical people like sam green - unexcellent - you are not going to stay around here "your name calling is not okay" sam green calmed down. burn books. Descalate the situation - so many performative activisim here - his face all marked out - called himself a slave beacause he's slavic - could play so many funny things - so what is your ethnicity - enagage - scar with peope - 
   
   Three levels of bullshit right now
   inciting violence 

name calling. Bullying.

He didn't mean to threaten. it was bad of him because the person is

its not that he has rapour or not. it's bad.

it's philsophy: he's not going to swing it or not.

But the guy sitting next to you bullying name calling, bullying, there are just 5 levels of bullshit or not.

patent lawyer: just because of who they were and someone - you need to - you need to respect that.

I think it's their occupasion.

I asked Noname: he wouldn't admit it was violence.

Loren: what is the potientail goal? This feels like run away this could be a specific person or concerns - eclating into scapegoating - be more excellent in the community -

TJ: my specific thing is ask to leave.

Elle: we need to have this conversation because inciting violence and kicking someone out because you disagree with them there were 6 things noname did that were wrong. there were people observing and they did not see that is wrong.

Loren: We covered 3-5 topics. this is worth discussing and handling better. But want us to decide are we seeking a decision or we are going to get people to get lessons from this. We heard enough for what we could do. Step back and think about what is useful for us to do as a community. What are our action items?

Elle: Loren I think you are cutting off a conversation that may be necessary. I agree we need movement. but if someone at NB doesn't know doing 6 things - things mentioned in our bylaws membership flyer thingy - things they should pay attention to interact and engage with

zach: people did step up. we descalated the situation. Mark: Safety counsel maybe other group?

Tj: So Who specifially?

Secretary email list. Other DM group. it's talked about. there are disussions happening amongst people.

To bring it back and focus address to addres loren maybe specific people need to take - my only question - someone responsible for taking care - responsibility and taking care are there people taking accountability - does there need to be explict peope - if there isn't - should we have people explictely take into account.

zachy: know noname really well. but trying to basically have dicussion about this.

TJ: Tell him not to come to the space for a bit for being beligernece

Elle: This is beyond your personal capacity for obvious reasons.This is best for safety purposes not to carry this load yourself'. this is moved to mediation.

mark; clarify what you mean there. Seperation - happening in private channel vereses mediation/

Elle: this is an isuse for bravespace not DMs on messages. This is equivelent of real world; of bravespace. talk to him. but Noisebridge cannot rely on your conversation with him to be the thing that repairs this because there is someone injuired and there are peope with concerned - this is addressed

Mark: Are you suggestion that mediation does not work

Elle: I think you are misunderstnding what I am saying. Zachy talking to noname and hanlding this.

Zachy: Are people doing things about it? The answer is "not no".

Mark: People are doing things about this. How to be a part of it if you want to. Ask in bravespace or safety-counsel.

Elle: Encourage people to join the #safety-counsel. Open to helping you out. seeking ways to educate the general NB membership and attendees and members - making sure that people are education - drunk people at our gate - member and bullying someone in our presence. safety counsel. via discord. safety counsel.

Mark: I just typed it out as an action item. yes thank you. decent stopping point for this discussion. If you want to be a part of that dicussion please do it in safety counsel its a public facing - less public group that deals with things at NB - just so we are aware and on the same page it is a place to litgate - bravespace if you want to air it out.

Safety counsel is a discord channel. Bravespace is a discord channel you need to opt into.

Forum: Loren. There are two channels for now. Bravespace forum. Give yoruself a brave role if you want to air grievances for things that are emotionally charged. safety counsel is more of a process and procedure.

Produce that flyer; "are you okay?" Public safety if that is okay. where to go if you need to get food or go to the hospital.

Helpful things. s ACTION ITEM:

   (2 mediations + new policy / advice to community)
   Safety Council should seek ways to educate the noisebridge general populace, trusted members, attendeees, about how to handle certain kinds of situations like these.

Discussion Item 2

From/Raised by: Zacchae Seeking - discuss if this is the right direction and if so contact info for peoplo that want to make input On topic: trash system.

tuesday meeting. Don't usually come bc at Work. noticed someone mentioned. Trash bins cost more than composting and recycling the one composting bin - lots of what goes into the trash - lots of compostable stuff - willing to do-ocratically - buy some nice three trash can things so we have the option of composting more readily available - signage on that - basically i am volunteering to bankroll such an endeavor - input from people -is this the right idea? do people see holes in what i am saying - or do people think this is good - maybe contact info for people to participate on the doing side.

Can you clarify for me what the goal is exaclty? to seperate compost out from trash more? Trash compostable. Things in trash could be composted

i do see brian sorting that. Saving brian work thing which is really good. He does too much out of his own goodness.Also we would get better ersults.

Why do we need extra bins?

one hand it could save brian some time - concretely save money some time - trash charged number of bins we bring out - one of those trash bins - turn into a compost bin saves us money every month selfish less - zachy would like help doing it.

Elle:that sounds great. doing it at home Save a lot of money composting at home. warn you that composting is really messy and likely to draw insects - if done improperly, can lose ability to compost - nb we DO need a dedicated person - to sort through recycling in our trash peope don't pay attention to what they are doing - coming from place where they don't seperate recycling and trash - cans and bottles - If we have compost bins on the floors - bins full of food product - with random trash and recycling - no one will want to go through that - more problem then we might be willing to handle there.

Jet: educated to do properly - educate people we don't even know. not practical - economic repurcussions - doing it wrong.

sense i am getting is: trash system: difficult:

   J:Do we have that much foodwaste? 
   Z:Not just food - soiled paper - anything biodegradable - cant recycle it? lets compost it. 
   

Elle: Do it at my own home. i cannot even get my housemates to do it right. Some people having control over their lives. Absolutely true - save money on compost. It'll just be a lot harder here.

Suggest food waste; compost empty not only everyday - every few hours actually! Can we handle that?

loren; second that and use the signs. the signs that had pictures on them. sort correctly encouage them to do the right thing.

Recycling is not as good at composting. Getting people to do it right/

The smell of compost is a big concern - is there smell proof way - kitchen area - kitchen area make it smell like garbage.

Sucessfully done it at my house - access to backyard my house - every few hours - three days - Z: something i am picking up here - its more important that people are informed. So something I can contribute to would be improving signage. More docs around printed out, and accesible on the wiki.

Loren: Another improvement I was thinking about was small cans that can sit on desktops, like 6"

Mark: For all things? Trash, Recycle and Compost?

Loren: Good question. For compost upstairs, completely IDK. shrugs.

Discussion / Brainstorm -- About: Noisebell project / Opening & closing culture

Raised by: Jet

Open - closed status -- some members don't like to be pressured to open the space, they want to come to hack. We want to make the information more accessible, but the dynamic of people seeing this, and wanting to push on getting access [right now].

Mark: Something about effective cultural filtering, as previously mentioned WRT the door being open situation earlier today.

Elle: Punished for enforcing the rules, rewarded for being nice cool, "lax" (descriptively), and refrain from enforcing the rules, asking people to leave, or close.

So once this project is more visible: How can I make all these things (this project) help with these kinds of things (support the cultural constraints & pressures), and reinforce positive behavior?

Elle: find older NBers. Pre-covid NBers. Lots of different backgrounds/experiences, cast as wide a net as possible.

Mid 2010s, sort of a kind of culture shift. Someone put up red and blue monochromatic lights in bathroom, preventing people from injecting themselves. Technical solution to a social problem. Want to avoid social situations such that solutions such as that are not necessary.

Get what you mean - need more than techical solution to the problem - prevent members from being harassed - people from abusing our open status - held responsible if the are resonsible for a given part.

Loren: cultural norms - one group invites another group from it being able to happen as- more challening when you are focusing on the downsides. segments - invite people to come in - when we are ready to come in for the health of the space - meetups - letting people know when their friends are here - wisdom of manifesting - focus what you want to see in the world - accessing - hard security problems - for infrastucture folks fun to think about but not core cultural feedback loop that gets excellent people in the doors doing cool things.

Elle: Agree with you but there is a high need for obvious safety efforts - one of the reason there is such a high need for that - (... i feel uncomfortable she is mentioning me ) people with a low acceptanec of chaotic situations (two women in the room).

Loren: there are lot of people: doing great things together - we can - jet's webpage - safespace.noisebridge.net reporting mechanisms - can be part of a feedback mechanisms but can bring more energy to the space.

Elle: I disagree. But I think we're closer to an agreement that its necessary to talk about.

Elle: Sewing women stop coming - not as safe - not go to other maker spaces which is good - not okay, instead going to sequia fabrica - works on lighting - I think about that

mark - I'm concerned thta people out ther have a negative conception that is based on 1. experiences in the past 2. experiences others have had in the past That is unrelated to how we are now. This is a big discussion that could spin off. Thinks that those people could stand to expirience to how noisebridge is now.

"this space is bad, why does no one come to the space" ?! -- there have been bouts of less safety. true

WEZ - been apart of noisebridge before the pandemic. the number 1 indicator how long someone stays around is their first impression.

• Who they meet,
• the quality of their tour,
• how interesting. first impressions matter and a culture of safety and exellence is extremely imporatnt. Strangers to friends have been given tours. The first impression makes them stay around forever or leave and not come back love, kindness, acceptence, exellence. this is a place for technical and creative work to happen.

Evan says:This seems like violent agreement. Building of cool stuff is what draws me as a new member here. Concerns about getting to/from and being in the physical space seems daunting to someone with multiple injuries and no sense of the area so it does temper how confident I am about the idea of coming to the physical space from my spot in South City. More cool stuff gets built if people feel safe in coming to the space.

Elle: there was a fake happy hour being put up that was to prank those that believed it. this is unkind and wasted people's time to troll others.

trolling is unexellent

Mark: sometimes it can be very excellent.

Zachi: you should know if you are being trolled or not.

Elle: if trolling makes you feel on the inside it can be good but if it puts others on the outside it is not good.

Signage - give a tour - excellent -