Meeting notes/Meeting Notes 2025 12 02

These are the notes from the The 842nd Meeting of Noisebridge.

Date	2025 12 02
Note-takers	Nthmost
Moderators	Elan

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Meeting Summary

• Announcements:

• • NB Friendsgiving, 11-2 potluck. Find the gSheet online to coordinate items people are bringing. Elle here, maybe 10am. Come help set up! Stay and clean up. 3rd annual day-of event. Will watch NYC Macy's Thanksgiving day parade.
  • Sewing class coming up - sashiko & boro (sp/s) techniques. Very meditative japanese techniques
  • Party on the 29th. Fundraiser for NB. -- get has insurance, and nb sponsor, Ken
  • NB16 -- prep, plan, & calls for help
    • LX - we started Game Jam Camp -- for anyone who wants to start a game, show it off at NB16 on Demo Night. Go to nb.wtf/w/GameJamCamp. Or come to NB Wed (11/26) @ 7pm
    • NB fundraiser - NB16 - weekend of 12th-14th. NB16 party. Stupid ideas hackathon (serious ideas welcome too -- will lose the hackathon).
    • looking for collaborations -- from each guild or activity at Noisebridge, quick blast demos, 5m per activity
  • Eric McCain - longtime nosiebridger, passed away recently. Elan in contact with his sister. Will share information about service with nb community. Gentle giant.
  • Eric - i would just like to say the music room has 3 big tvs i'm not sure if those work or not. And there is a lot of stuff that may need to be be thrown away in the front of the room by the entrance door of the music room. I need the help of the community to see what can be thrown away or if whoever was working with the piano organ project will continue with it ...or if we can just throw it away

• Consensus Items: -
• Discussion Items:
  • LX Seeking tasks/ideas & volunteers
  • plan, contributions sought on topic: NB16 fundraising
  • hackathon at NB / by NB — seeking sponsor, Dec 13? Moved to Jan
  • Moving books from the hallway to music room. ~ No
music room (cleaning), from Eric
  • lending out bookscanning machine to San Diego
  • Curtis from Frontier Tower pitching us renting their basement
  • fundraising update

Introductions

• Ask people to share their name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns what they do at noisebridge 

What are you most looking forward to eating?

• Loren - talk to me about infra (mondays) and treasury stuff. Eating so cranberry sauce this week
• Elan - running noisebridge *services* on local network, Kubernetes, going to the oyster place on bayshore and it looks kitschy 
• Julius - work on things that flyyy nowadays, whirly rotating things. mashed potatoes and gravy (mayo in mashed potatoes, makes them super creamy)
• Wheezy - i love the internet. i love noisebridge too. doing internet things
• ... 841 is divisible by 29, only 29. Josh phases in..mostly
• Ellen, go by elle - ask me about sewing, fundraising. looking forward to the nb potluck, and persimmon pie.
• Derek - programmer. Ask me about programming. Thinking about turkey dumplings (Chinese dumplings)

• Oliver - ask me about all things natural language. Mashed potatoes. Rare opportunity
• Angello - mechanic student. Ask me about cars. Really looking forward to drinking a banana milkshake.
• Martin - I like to work with gamebridge people and the music space. Wife is making tuna pasta salad, and she is one of only two people whose pasta salad I actually like.
• Robbie -- looking forward to mashed potatoes, ask me about fourier analysis
• LX -- came to NB a long time ago, DefCon 15. Wednesdays - table top gaming @ NB. Eating humble pie as we embark on more fundraising
• Daniel - like working on the doors. I will eat pumpkin pie. That is all.
• Eric - I like music production, video and printmaking.
• Jess - 
• Curtis

Short announcements and events

• 60-second description per item in bulletpoint.
• Copy-paste any pre-announcements for the upcoming meeting from Announcements.
• After announcements, copy them to the past Announcements list. Retire any from the Next Meeting list that aren't marked ONGOING.
• (See https://www.noisebridge.net/ and https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Events for events, and welcoming people)

• Oliver - want to host a hackathon in early December, (think 13th), want 

• NB Friendsgiving, 11-2 potluck. Find the gSheet online to coordinate items people are bringing.  Elle here, maybe 10am. Come help set up! Stay and clean up. 3rd annual day-of event. Will watch NYC Macy's Thanksgiving day parade.

• Sewing class coming up - sashiko & boro (sp/s) techniques. Very meditative japanese techniques

• Party on the 29th. Fundraiser for NB. -- get has insurance, and nb sponsor, Ken
  • LX - use party as dry run?  

• LX - we started Game Jam Camp -- for anyone who wants to start a game, show it off at NB16 on Demo Night. Go to nb.wtf/w/GameJamCamp. Or come to NB Wed (11/26) @ 7pm

• NB fundraiser - NB16 - weekend of 12th-14th. NB16 party. Stupid ideas hackathon (serious ideas welcome too -- will lose the hackathon). 
  • looking for collaborations -- from each guild or activity at Noisebridge, quick blast demos, 5m per activity

• Eric McCain - longtime nosiebridger, passed away recently. Elan in contact with his sister. Will share information about service with nb community. Gentle giant.

• Eric - i would just like to say  the music room has 3 big tvs i'm not sure if those work or not.  And there is a lot of stuff that may need to be be thrown away in the  front of the room by the entrance door of the music room. I need the help of the community to see what can be thrown away or if whoever was working with the piano organ project will continue with it ...or if we can just throw it away 
  • Music room -- Julius 

Excellence

Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.  (Give a quick, 1-3 sentence summary.)

• in the spirit of bill & ted. 
• means being somewhat emotionally intelligent, part of taking part in community
• treat the 

• Excellence that we can aspire towards is act in a way that makes others thankful for the interaction/experience and wanting to come back. 

What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence! 

Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence

Noisebridge has an Anti-Harassment Policy https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) More approachable & specific guidelines, https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.

Accessiblity

acknowledging the importance of accessiblity, making the space as accessible.

["subtweet", concern about reference to disagreement earlier in the day]

Brief Kudos

Recent examples of excellent participation, say 3, unless the passion moves you.

• Derek -- Loren has been running this killer meeting on mondays
• Elan - kudos to Robbie for being out inaugural account on the new NB infra
• Wheezy - kudos to Elan, 
• Wheezy - kudos to Loren on scoping out these new chairs
• Loren - kudos to Ken and Wheezy for immediating making them available to NB with the truck

Zoning & Permitting Standing Item

Status this week? Helpful broad asks to the community? NB city bureaucracy WG -- JD & Alice, among others.

• An inspection happened. It seemed good. Waiting on lighting determinations.

We may still owe money. We might not. There's a requirement for energy efficient lighting for new warehouses.  They're arguing for us: we're using LED lighting, we're an existing space.

Membership

 We say all who visit and take part are members  Participant-members  (See also Donor-Members)  We say associate membership (), formalizes taking part in the space, being responsible for the space.  We say "big M" membership, formalizes, recognizes taking part being responsibility for the community in addition to the sapce

 We want to emphasize that anyone can donate to Noisebrige. You don't need to be recognized more formally to donate--though we do expect members to donate.  Formal priviledges of membership include just: granting 30 day access to other newer community participants, and     (Story about bomb threats made to OpenAI, and they may have been someone that we rejected from membership, earlier this year. Same group)

• Angello - associate membership - sponsor Elan.

 Elan - doing great things in the community, cool projects (DIY quadcopter + go-kart) hosting a weekly movie night  Julius - endorse as well!    What skills and tools are you planning to use in the space -- in your upcoming go cart project?  Lorne-  welders often happy to teach in service of a project, but not just generally, open.  in 2 weekends, Ken & Ryan have a dedicated weld-everything weekend    thinking about building some storage, upstairs

• Derek -- associate membership -- waiting for Kevin (MisterName) to sponsor him, who first gave a tour.

Thanks for adding on to the current membership drive.

Big C Consensus Items

Nobody likes 3 hour meetings, only explain if new people are present. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items

Consensus Items

Only for talking about Big C consensus items, small c consensus items should be discussed with people at the space at the time of the change/new item or can be reserved for the discussion section of the meeting.

Discussion Items

It is recommended to post items for discussion ahead of time at https://pad.riseup.net/p/nbmeeting. (Check that the template for the meeting is in place already, and that last week's notes have been moved to the wiki, of course)

Item prompts should follow the format: From/Raised by: [your name here] Seeking [decision/outcome/advice/something else] On topic: [topic]

Discussion Item 1

From/Raised by: LX Seeking tasks/ideas & volunteers On topic:  Party on the 29th. Fundraiser for NB. -- LX - use party as dry run?   for fundraising

 The event in 10pm - 2am.  get has insurance, and nb sponsor, Ken

• Cafe / BarBot - 
• door / security - we did have some moderate restriction, asking people to donate to come it, for NB15q - we asked people at the door, drove donations
• QR Codes & signs for more 

• during event (as with other events) have asked for opportunity to annouce, sseek donations
• on wall behind cafe/ game area -- put up new welcome signage, showing off events, as well: entrance by the stairs.  Later, Kiosk, now: a poster.  Another donation thermometer.

• They'll want to use the AV system - we should make it easier to use, intergrated. Would like to see a very clear 1-page explainer printed (laminated) near the projector.  Verify wiki page, print (incl qr code). 

We need 4-8 people together to pull off a fundraiser. Talking in #events-support (or #events-forum)

Elle is sharing a gsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eGDUqEqdljEvIs4FULgzGWH-Ky6-2MHhaTSIPG1Ob2c/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Discussion Item 2

From/Raised by: LX, Elle Seeking snapshot of plan, contributions sought On topic: NB16 fundraising

NB16 plan, esp see poster.

Dec 12-14 

• Class-a-thon + Hack-a-thon (pre-record as much as possible)
• Friday: hackathon kickoff Hacking/Classes 101 on Fridays to give intros
• Saturday: Deep dives 
• Sunday: Growth gala 

  * Talks (10mof)    * Showcasing

Farley - has recent interest, momentum, on-going excitment about filming short tutorials

5 minute - class-a-thon demos -- as intros to the space, can start being filmed now

Looking for volunteers

Music --  resident electronic + music guild people who want to perform

Oliver -- interest in organizing

Projection mapping -- cool demo -- can meet LX tomorrow to help prep. (LX in space)  LX / Eric / Martin

Loren - let's do standing item for the next month -- annouce during meeting, discuss after meeting

Discussion Item 3

From/Raised by: Oliver Seeking go-ahead, sponsor for event On topic: NB-hosted a hackathon in early December, (think 13th), want 

can push to january, and offer support to the NB16 / Stupid Hacks event.

Need help organizing -- how to organize. Have been in touch with Jet. Have hosted before.

Some creative direction too--how to make best use of Noisebridge space.

Join, help out with Game Jam Hacks & Stupid Hacks.  Past hosts: Jet, Moof

January 

Discussion Item 4

From/Raised by: Julius Seeking  Consultation (small c consensus) On topic: Moving books from the hallway. One option - the music room wall. library, shelving welding)

Encourage process to continue: moving lockers up, to upstairs hallway.

Maybe moving them into RNA lounge -- not clear

Eric is wondering if some of stuff in music room should be scrapped.

Another advantage of books in music room:  Had some more punk music players recently. We would like to add more mass to the music room. 

Library wall -- we can have tiny desk concert.

Elle:  against:  new noisebridgers, visitors -- you almost always find them wander by looking at the books.  Books & loud musicians -- are in conflict.  music room -- door might be smaller   Elan -- some could be in RNA lounge.  Non-current technical books. 

Elle -- storage in music room ... but found someone hiding there recently.

Julius - sounds like the answer -- not clear, not settled.

LX  music room is awesome, I have a sign, neon "recording in progress"  we have a lot of people wanting to do video production -- have been hearing from people doing this at "the maid" (sp?) -- when making music, you often want to make video while doing it. Great to have a designated area in music room, not maybe AV audio-visual room. Perhaps more multi-media. Arts, painting at NB.  Video in AV room.  LX / Julius -- follow up in #art chanenl pls.

Discussion Item 5

From/Raised by: Eric Seeking feedbank, confirmation / go-ahead On topic: music room (cleaning)

I'm leading cleanup there.

There's someone's project there that, maybe should go.

We have 3 TVs there, we should use. For NB16.

We have lots lots lots to throw away. Doesn't work.

Don't just throw stuff in the music room because you don't use it. Make more space so people can use it.

Would like help -- 

We should host classes, earn money, not have noisebridge in threat of closign.

Martin: eric, when are you normally around

Eric: will bring mics, small cameras -- to start documenting game bridge. (consensual) filming the guild/topic intros.

LX says:we need people to stick a "project tag" when people put something work in progress somewhere,  "tag it" with your username on discord or alternate contact info 

Elle: make me ashamed to think of the music room as a source of problems. There is much potential.

Discussion Item 6

From/Raised by: elan Seeking approval? On topic: lending out bookscannig machine to San Diego

stack:     eric      Elan -- seeking small c / big C -- 

elle: willing to give a deposit?  Elan: might be willing to on their behalf  LX: I support lending the book machine and having it serviced for us 

Josh:  we should have Noisebridge stickers on everything -- incl NB things getting used for VR (/AR) at Frontier Tower.

Discussion Item 7

From/Raised by: We-z Seeking propose possibilities to NB On topic: Curtis from Frontier Tower pitching us renting their basement.

Given: Limited run here, limited runway at NB.   Frontier tower, could be a space, half cost, no overhead of power, internet, utilities.  Possiblities of using one of the floors  Good timing for Frontier to accomodate Noisebridge to take over a floor   Comparable square footage.  NB concerns about -- proximity to BART, accessibility,   cameras  Basement + first floor are underutilized  Half the cost, NB retain value system. 

Eric -- issue of acoustic drum. Super heavy. Drums are intrusive.  Curtis: there's a large DJ system down there that gets used a lot

LX: who's proposing?  Curtis: I'm a member there. I'm not proposing on behalf of Frontier.  LX: we should get to know them better, a fieldtrip day.  Curtis: going tonight, can accomodate another day, even maybe if I'm not there

Elan: questions - who makes decisions at Frontier -- rent, use.  Curtis: typically $200 / person to access the space.  Guests don't have access except to event.  Floor lead -- would approve event. If not fighting other events on the floor.  Basement -- not many other events. Robot fights, taser fights, some music ones.  10-20 members from here could pay dues. Directors from noisebridge.   Elan: that's a way of functioning within the current structure.   Startups can rent... (curtis: an office for $2k / mo).  Elan: have lots of secondhand info.  Event every day, versus open door policy.  Have an endless stream of practical questions.   Elle: have visited multiple times. Have been turned away at the door multiple times.  (Host not at door -- another time, someone   Curtis:  rules are, someone has to come to the door to let you in.    Elle: went for event, someone had to come down for event  Elle: we would love to see more fundraisers -- Frontier to host one in the basement.  As a first collaboration, knowledge of each other.  Curtis: any events can be put on in the space  70% to event host.  Floor 20%. Tower 10%.  One floor... 100-180, nice seating. Aesthics "human flourishing floor" sauna, kitchen DJ offices.

Elan: you said -- 10-20 members  Curtis: we could draft and currate a pitch.  Long-standing NB existence. By the people, for the people.  NB could fundraise.  Curtis: offer the crunch here.  Curtis: run a similar space in vancouver, smaller space. DCTRL DeControl (sp), hard to get lots of people to take it seriously.   Playing at the edge of apathy, waiting for someone to save with money, is dangerous for long-term participation.  Would like to see more discussion.  

• Follow up in discord: #event-forum -- fieldtrip - frontier tower.
  •   https://discord.com/channels/720514857094348840/1443110911781896192/1443110911781896192

   

• Elle: if we're considering a move, let's consider other spots too. Let's address that question directly. Nelson / @"chinese man" -- has done research on this

Curtis: right now, there's an option. Taking over a whole floor. Rare.  Strongly consider. Strongly.

Loren: please make a discord thread with your pitch, suggestion directly.

• Curtis - pitch discord follow-up, the strong case.

Discussion Item 8

From/Raised by: elle Seeking  ...? On topic: fundraising

Mainly good news update

$17.5k gofund me doing well

$50k goal looking achievable if we include other sources

Discussion Item 

From/Raised by: farley Seeking brainstorm, announce, fun On topic: 

farley's recording videos

farley -- the no photos in the space without permission -- we could do better with this norm

Loren: free culture conferences does this -- wiki conf, HOPE

Do-ocratic Task Board

Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Propose new tasks or pick some tasks from Github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing! 

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Fun things to do after

• Do a 10 minute cleanup, bring dishes up stairs and wash them, clean the bathroom
• Have some beers on the patio
• Prepare the next weeks' meeting notes
• Lick the walls. Or just draw on them (I don't like this example at all... :P)
• sing the Hackernationale (this almost never happens)